Turn your geek on!
GeeCON - the blog

Friday, 13 April 2012

Talking to Girls in IT

I had the idea of a series of posts based on conversations with other women who do computer-related stuff from the very beginning of my personal blog's existence, but it turned out I needed a little extra push to put the thought into practice. The push finally came in the form of the GeeCON blog (the post will appear in both places). Yesterday I met up with 3 programmer girls (women, actually, we are all close to 30) to discuss women participation in computer science.

My first question was about the decision to study computer science, and the reactions of people around. Here is what the girls said:
  • Eliza (works with Delphi, C# and JS): Well, honestly, first I wanted to study psychology, but it turned out (and quite late!) that I suck at biology. I have always liked maths, so here I am. I would not say that my family had any particular kind of reaction to this field of studies. And I have always liked computer games, my first favourite was Boulder Dash.
  • Ewa (currently works with Rails and JS, but as a small company owner she also has professional experience in ASP, C#, PHP and Java): I felt attracted to computers since I was a kid. It was great pleasure for me to just sit at my mother's computer and copy folders (Eliza says: and you're sure there was no porn involved?) or play Prince of Persia. Both my parents have technical professions (telecommunications and programming), so they were very supportive, only fought a little about which of those two directions was better suited for me. I had not done any programming before going to university, though, unless you count AC Logo.
  • Magda (server-side Java, Android apps, Java web apps): I come from a family with maths traditions; both my parents are maths teachers, so in many ways it was a natural choice. I have always been good with computers. Besides, I like to solve abstract riddles. Programming to me is like playing with building blocks. My family was happy about this choice, mostly because it is a solid education.
(Am I the only one who actually did Basic programming on C64 I got as a First Communion gift?)

When asked about other studies possibilities they had considered, Ewa said she had thought about Polish studies for a while, but since you were only allowed to apply for 3 places, she left this idea behind. Magda graduated from both maths and computer science. At first she was interested in applied mathematics, but is now happy with the programmer job.

Eliza says she would not like her own child to study computer science, “because it is boring”. We disagree (completely!), but then admit that it is a job that is hard to talk about with people who do something else.

Then we discussed the females to males ratio at school and at work. The funny thing here is that in Polish ratio and attitude are the same word (stosunek), so the first thing Eliza answered was “we like them”. :)

Here are the numbers the girls gave me:
  • Eliza: 20-10 at secondary school (extended English class), 14-48 at university (my year, so you may recognize the number from a previous GeeCON post), 4-22 at work.
  • Ewa: 11-20 at school (science class), 14-48, 3-3 at current work (the project manager wants to hire girls, partly because it is a fashion-oriented project, and the boys have problems identifying with the product; the sweet Easter bunny that the girls put on th project website was heavily mocked).
  • Magda: 1/3 of girls at school (“but the girls did better”), she doesn't remember the numbers for uni because every class you had was with different people, 3-10 at work.
Then I asked the girls about whether they felt they were treated on the same terms as the boys while at university. I heard no hardcore stories, here is what they mentioned:
  • Magda: the ladies in the faculty office were always nicer for boys, especially those good-looking ones.
  • Ewa: there was this one professor who only talked to guys, even though I was the one who did most of the project, and he addressed us as "gentlemen".
Ewa mentioned another thing here: the professors -> students line was ok, but the same thing could not always be said about male students -> female professors. We had guys enrolling for a class lead by an attractive girl just because of the way she looked, completely dismissing her intellect.

Then I asked the same question, but this time about professional life.
  • Ewa mentioned business meetings in which the prospective partners only talked to guys, but she says it might be more of a personal presentation matter.
  • Eliza told us a recent story in which her colleague was having huge difficulties with a task, so she decided to help him and managed to find the solution in Google. When her boss heard about it, he told her “oh, so you just got lucky”.
  • Magda says she sometimes hears that she does certain (programming) things differently because she is a woman. “I am really angry about, what does it matter that I am a girl?”
My next question was about the number of girls in computer science. Is it natural? Is it that girls just do not want to do it, or are not skilled to do it, or is it something else? The general conclusion we came to is this: it makes no sense to force girls to do programming, but there is a lot of space left for encouragement. There is nothing wrong with the sheer fact that there are more men in computer science than women, but the current proportion does not reflect the real skills. It is a cultural thing: from early on we are told that “boys do better in sciences, and girls do better in arts”, or even that “boys are intelligent, but lazy, while girls are hardworking and mediocre”.

Stereotypes work both ways. We hear that “only ugly girls go to technical universities”, “girls in academic IT classes are there to find a husband easily”, but also that “if you choose technical studies, guys will pinch your bottom all the time”.

Ewa said she was at an official party some time ago, when the ACTA protests were at their peak. She was introduced to a Polish minister together with her brother-in-law, both as computer specialists, with stress on the fact that she is a programmer. The minister asked the guy about his opinion about ACTA, and when the guy said “I don't know, I haven't read it”, he dropped the subject, leaving Ewa with her plenty opinions unexpressed.

Back to the subject of the female-male ratio. We agreed that parities are nonsense here. Also, none of us would like to actually switch the proportions :) But more good girls in IT would be awesome! We all support girl-inclusion initiatives as long as they are healthy and do not exclude guys (but, let us face it, we are quite far away from that).

GeeCON audience, 2010. See what I am talking about? ;)
 Finally we tried to find aspects of IT work when we (or “most women”) actually perform different then men.

It seems that most girls do have better communication skills than most men, so having a few girls on the team usually has a positive effect on it. We have more patience in explaining stuff, also to non-IT people. We do not hate writing documentation so much! :) But sometimes this kind of task is not appreciated enough (in our opinion). It might be easier for us to admit we do not (yet!) know something. I am afraid this is not a good thing, with women starting sentences with “I think that” and men with “I am sure that“... We are not aware of any serious coding differences.

An anecdote (?) to finish with is as follows. A guy we know says he will not hire women, because he does not know how to talk to them. He says: “If I tell a guy he should do something differently, he says OK. If I say the same thing to a girl, she locks herself in the bathroom and cries all day”. Even when you ignore the fact that he would have to hire a girl to actually notice something like that - first, none of us cries for reasons like this (I cried in the bathroom at work twice in my life, both times after serious sexist remarks unrelated to my work). Second - my experience is this: a lot of people will say “OK”, but remember it and wait for an occasion to fight back just a little bit.

I will end this cheerful post with a quote from Magda:
I have chosen this profession because I like it. There are moments, though, when my frustration level reaches unknown heights! I do not understand girls who want to prove they are better then boys. Life is not about proving things to other people.

62 comments:

  1. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Replies
    1. chung cư Imperial Plaza 360 Giải Phóng
      chung cư Imperial Plaza
      chung cu Imperial Plaza
      Imperial Plaza 360 Giải Phóng
      chung cư the legend
      chung cư the legend 109 nguyễn tuân
      chung cư eco green city دانلود آهنگ جدید

      Delete
  3. cheap snapbacks, http://www.cheapsnapbacks.us.com/
    coach handbags, http://www.coachhandbagsoutletonline.us.com/
    the north face outlet, http://www.northface-outlet.cc/
    hogan, http://www.scarpehogan-outlet.it/
    michael kors outlet, http://michaelkors.outletonlinestores.us.com/
    ugg uk, http://www.cheapuggboots.me.uk/
    nike roshe, http://www.nikerosherunshoes.co.uk/
    abercrombie and fitch, http://www.abercrombie-fitch.us.com/
    ugg boots, http://www.uggbootsclearance.in.net/
    michael kors handbags, http://www.michaelkorshandbagsoutletstore.us.com/
    ghd hair straighteners, http://www.ghdhairstraightenerssale.co.uk/
    air max 2015, http://www.airmax2015.in.net/
    nike air max uk, http://www.nikeairmaxshoes.org.uk/
    christian louboutin, http://www.scarpelouboutin.it/
    nike air force 1, http://www.airforce1.us.com/
    cheap ugg boots, http://www.cheapuggboots.net.co/
    nike huarache, http://www.nikeairhuarache.org.uk/
    louis vuitton handbags, http://www.louisvuittonhandbagsoutlet.co.uk/
    michael kors outlet store, http://www.michaelkorsoutlet-store.us.com/
    canada goose outlet, http://www.canadagoose.us.org/
    air max 90, http://www.airmax90.us.com/
    football shirts, http://www.cheapfootballshirt.org.uk/
    oakley sunglasses, http://www.oakleysunglassescanada.com/
    louis vuitton handbags, http://www.louisvuittonhandbag.us/
    polo ralph lauren, http://www.poloralphlauren.us.org/
    cai2015105

    ReplyDelete
  4. Solidification of understudy credits is a characteristic stride to take to deal with this issue, in spite of the fact that you should not solidify government and private advances into one advance, else you will lose your elected advantages, for example, delay or financed rates. Payday Loans San-diego

    ReplyDelete
  5. One of the most serious issues with government provided understudy advances is that the Department of Education doesn't handle the everyday operations. The Department contracts with different organizations for these assignments. payday loans san-diego

    ReplyDelete
  6. شركة الامانة لكشف تسربات المياه تقدم نخبة من المع الخبراء في كشف تسربات المياه الناتجة عند هطول الامطار علي الاسطح الخرسانية او وجود خراب
    داخل الجدار الناتج عن اصابة مواسير المياه او الصرف الصحي فنقدم لكم شركة
    الامانة
    واليكم خدماتنا في المنطقة الشرقية
    كشف تسربات المياه بالدمام

    كشف تسربات المياه بالقطيف

    كشف تسربات المياه بالخبر

    كشف تسربات المياه بالجبيل

    ReplyDelete
  7. That is the reason a large portion of the banks have made it a strategy to manage borrower with higher FICO scores. All in all, doest it mean there is no alternative accessible for you to renegotiate your home advance. payday loans

    ReplyDelete
  8. I enjoyed over read your blog post. Your blog have nice information, I got good ideas from this amazing blog. I am always searching like this type blog post. I hope I will see again madalin stunt cars 2

    ReplyDelete
  9. I enjoyed over read your blog post. Your blog have nice information, I got good ideas from this amazing blog. I am always searching like this type blog post. I hope I will see again..

    starfall | brainpop

    ReplyDelete
  10. I was more than happy to find this web site. I need to thank you for your moment due to this unbelievable read!! I definitely savored every bit of it and I have you book-marked to see new things in your web site.

    Geometrydashonline.net
    Basketballlegendsgame.com

    ReplyDelete
  11. This is great. I have also been educated in IT and I really enjoyed my studies on this subject

    گروه توليدي ايمن نورتاب
    بزرگترين توليد کننده انواع تابلو چلنيوم ، استيل ، برجسته ، ال اي دي هاي ثابت ، نمای کامپوزيت و ترموود

    ReplyDelete
  12. On the net beneficial tips throughout truth be told there; bless you designed for writing it. Satisfy make sure to combine a lot of more insightful content articles so that us in contact. At present go here best kitchen renovation near me Continue the good work decent project.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Thank you for this useful content, It’s a very useful content that helps me to complete my assignment at right time. I would like to write about my experience of Australian assignment help or online assignment help. I am an academic expert here who provides reference assignment including Accounting, Management, Finance, IT, Economics, Computer Science, Nursing, Marketing; all Academic subjects to University Students across Australia or even globe. We are a big online assignment help providers who help students to get HD grades according to assessment guidelines and instructions.

    ReplyDelete
  14. مكنسة كهربائية : لتقوم باستعمالها فى اجراء عملية ازالة الاتربة والشوائب حتى يمكنها ان تقوم بعملية الغسل والتنظيف .
    أسفنجة لفرك الأسطح : الاسفنجة مع صغر حجمها إلا أن لها دور ضخمً فى عملية التنظيف فهى تقوم بتنظيف الاسطح وتلميعها لن تصدق ذلك إذاً جرب ذلك بنفسك هذه اللحظة .شركة النجوم لخدمات التنظيف
    شركة تنظيف خزانات بالطائف
    شركة تنظيف بالطائف
    شركة تنظيف شقق بالطائف

    ReplyDelete
  15. Here is a good Weblog You might Come across Fascinating that we Encourage You
    เว็บไซต์คาสิโนออนไลน์ที่ได้คุณภาพอับดับ 1 ของประเทศ
    เป็นเว็บไซต์การพนันออนไลน์ที่มีคนมา สมัคร Gclub Royal1688
    และยังมีหวยให้คุณได้เล่น สมัครหวยออนไลน์ ได้เลย
    สมัครสมาชิกที่นี่ >>> Gclub Royal1688
    ร่วมลงทุนสมัครเอเย่นคาสิโนกับทีมงานของเราได้เลย

    ReplyDelete
  16. Enjoyed studying this, very good stuff, thanks.
    โปรโมชั่นGclub ของทางทีมงานตอนนี้แจกฟรีโบนัส 50%
    เพียงแค่คุณสมัคร Gclub กับทางทีมงานของเราเพียงเท่านั้น
    ร่วมมาเป็นส่วนหนึ่งกับเว็บไซต์คาสิโนออนไลน์ของเราได้เลยค่ะ
    สมัครสล็อตออนไลน์ >>> goldenslot
    สนใจร่วมลงทุนกับเรา สมัครเอเย่น Gclub คลิ๊กได้เลย

    ReplyDelete
  17. so using the first best moving furniture company from Jeddah to Mecca to get there can save you a lot of Time and money. Not all transfer companies are similar, so it's best to ask customer service for information about how you want to set up them.شركة نقل عفش
    شركة نقل عفش من الرياض الى الاردن
    شركة نقل اثاث من الرياض الى الاردن
    شركة نقل عفش بخميس مشيط

    ReplyDelete
  18. طلاق غیابی ، طلاقی است که در غیاب یکی از زوجین از سوی دادگاه صادر می شود. غایب بودن زوجین دو معنا دارد اول: همسر مفقود باشد دوم: بی اعتنا به ابلاغیه دادگاه باشد و یا ابلاغیه دادگاه را به شخصه تحویل نگرفته باشد. البته هر کدام چه طلاق از طرف زن باشد و چه طلاق از طرف مرد باشد شرایط خاص خود را دارند.

    قبل توضیح درباره طلاق غیابی از طرف زن یا مرد، توضیحات مختصری درباره ی اوامر تاثیر گذار بر این موضوع و مطالبی که نیاز است تا با آن ها آشنا باشید و به درک بهتر مطلب کمکتان کند خواهیم پرداخت.

    رای غیابی یا طلاق غیابی چیست: اگر شکایت یا دادخواستی تنظیم گردد و طبق ماده 68 قانون مدنی ابلاغیه های دادگاه را خوانده (کسی که از او شکایت شده است یا دادخواست علیه او صادر گشته است) به شخصه تحویل نگرفته باشد یا با بی اعتنایی در جلسات دادگاه حاضر نشود.

    ReplyDelete
  19. This is a post that we all should read at least once, it's great, wish you success in the next blog. I like this post because it contains a lot of useful information to read, maybe everyone will like me.
    free friv Games 2019, Jogos de Friv, friv for school free Games, cá koi mini

    ReplyDelete
  20. By ordering a Cheap Dissertation Writing Services from our Nursing Writing Services,be completely sure your personal information obtained is protected and will never be revealed to any third party.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Wow. This is some thing very amazing. I was in search of such a beautiful writing. Awesome plot and ends very in very simple way. Thank you.

    Dietplanpdf.com
    Ketosidedishes.com

    ReplyDelete
  22. เกมยิงปลาออนไลน์ เกมสืดีๆต้องที่นี่
    https://www.slot1234.com/เกมยิงปลาออนไลน์

    ReplyDelete
  23. ดูได้แบบเต็มที่ ต้องดูหนังออนไลน์ Godzilla: King of the Monsters ก็อดซิลล่า 2ที่เว็บดูหนังนี้เลย

    https://www.doonung1234.com/

    ReplyDelete
  24. Your blog is very nice thank you for this wonderful information I like very much for this article.

    write my mba dissertation


    do my essay for cheap

    ReplyDelete
  25. สูตรการพนันบอลออนไลน์ ที่จะทำให้ท่านได้กำไรเพิ่มขึ้นเรื่อยๆ
    สูตรพนันบอลที่ 1 การพนันกับเจ้าของบ้านที่เป็นบอลรอง
    พวกเราจะย้ำการพนันแทงบอลไปที่บอลรองโดยกลุ่มที่พนันได้เป็นเจ้าของบ้าน และก็แพงอัตราการเจรจาต่อรองที่มีอัตราราคาบอลที่มีความเสียเปรียบน้อย วิธีการพนันนี้ สามารถใช้กับการพนันบอลชุดได้
    ดังเช่นว่า ราคาบอลอยู่ที่ 1.25 หรือลูกควบลูกครึ่ง จะได้โอกาสช่วยทำให้สามารถทำเงินได้ รวมทั้งสร้างจังหวะที่ดีที่สำหรับเพื่อการพนัน หากว่าเพียงแค่ครึ่งเดียวที่กรณีบอลรองเสียก็ตาม โดยยิ่งไปกว่านั้นผู้พนันควรทำการศึกษาเรียนรู้และทำการค้นคว้าการประลองคู่บอลเจ้าของบ้านที่กำลังจะตกอันดับก็อาจจะเป็นไปได้ว่าจะมีแรงฮึกสู้สำหรับการชิงชัยในบ้านตนเอง บางทีอาจสร้างการชนะให้กับผู้ที่พนันเจ้าของบ้านได้
    สูตรพนันบอลที่ 2 พนันบอลต่ำเมื่อมีสกอร์
    เมื่อเปิดเกมการประลองเพียงแค่ไม่กี่นาที บอลคู่ไหนที่มีการทำแต้มเกิดขึ้นจะก่อให้เกิดช่องว่างของอัตราราคาพนันบอลขึ้นมา ให้ท่านทดลองเทียบราคาต่อรองหรือการได้เปรียบของคู่แข่งที่เกิดขึ้น ซึ่งการเลือกแทงคู่ปรับกลุ่มที่มีสกอร์ต่ำเมื่อมีการทำแต้มไปแล้ว การพนันจะมีช่องว่างอัตราการพนันเกิดขึ้น
    ตัวอย่างเช่น ในนาทีแรกของการประลองมีการทำคะแนนขึ้นมาในครึ่งเวลาแรกราคาแพงต่ำก็จะปรับขึ้นเป็น 2.5 ลูก ถึงแม้ว่าค่าน้ำประปาจะได้น้อย แม้กระนั้นมันยังมีลุ้นที่ผู้พนันจะได้กำไรจากการพนัน และก็ยังรวมทั้งการพนันกับตัวเลือกอื่นในระหว่างการแข่งขันชิงชัยก็ช่วยให้ลดการเสี่ยงแทงบอลลงมาได้
    โดยเหตุนั้นการใช้สูตรการพนันบอล ไม่สามารถที่จะหลบหลีกถึงที่กะไว้จะกล่าวว่าเป็นวิธีที่ดีกว่าแล้วก็ไม่มีอันตรายสำหรับในการพนัน ด้วยเหตุว่าพวกเราได้ใช้ดวงหรือทดสอบสำหรับในการพนันเพียงอย่างเดียว พวกเราสูตรรวมทั้งเคล็ดลับสำหรับการพินิจพิจารณาสโผลงที่การณ์แล้วก็ความน่าจะเป็นของการพนันการแข่งขันชิงชัยบอลในแต่ละครั้ง ซึ่งทำให้ผู้พนันได้มองเห็นถึงช่องทางความน่าจะเป็นไปได้สำหรับเพื่อการชนะสูงขึ้นยิ่งกว่าการประเมินดวง
    ข้อควรคิดก็คือพวกเราไม่อาจจะคาดคะเนการพนันได้ 100 ปอร์เซ็น เนื่องจากว่าการพนันออนไลน์ การพนันบอลไม่มีอะไรซึ่งสามารถกำหนดได้เลยว่าพวกเราจะได้โอกาสชนะเป็นประจำฉะนั้นการพนันแต่ละครั้งจึงควรอาศัยปัจจัยภายนอกแล้วก็ด้านในสำหรับการชิงชัยแต่ละกลุ่ม ว่ามีความน่าจะเป็นไปได้ ได้แก่ ความพร้อมเพรียงของนักฟุตบอล ความเคลื่อนไหวตัวเล่นหรือผู้ฝึกสอน ก็มีโอแนวทางการทำให้กำเนิดความคลาดเคลื่อนสำหรับเพื่อการแข่งได้

    ReplyDelete
  26. There is certainly a great deal to know about this subject. I like all of the points you made.
    http://www.uwork.ir
    http://www.uwork.ir ابزار وبلاگ

    ReplyDelete
  27. Crypto-currency as a modern form of the digital asset has received a worldwide acclaim for easy and faster financial transactions and its awareness among people have allowed them to take more interest in the field thus opening up new and advanced ways of making payments. Crypto.com Referral Code with the growing demand of this global phenomenon more,new traders and business owners are now willing to invest in this currency platform despite its fluctuating prices however it is quite difficult to choose the best one when the market is full. In the list of crypto-currencies bit-coins is one of the oldest and more popular Crypto.com Referral Code for the last few years. It is basically used for trading goods and services and has become the part of the so-called computerized block-chain system allowing anyone to use it thus increasing the craze among the public, Crypto.com Referral Code.

    Common people who are willing to purchase BTC can use an online wallet system for buying them safely in exchange of cash or credit cards and in a comfortable way from the thousands of BTC foundations around the world and keep them as assets for the future. Due to its popularity, many corporate investors are now accepting them as cross-border payments and the rise is unstoppable. With the advent of the internet and mobile devices,information gathering has become quite easy as a result the BTC financial transactions are accessible and its price is set in accordance with people’s choice and preferences thus leading to a profitable investment with Crypto.com Referral Code. Recent surveys have also proved that instability is good for BTC exchange as if there is instability and political unrest in the country due to which banks suffer then investing in BTC can surely be a better option. Again bit-coin transaction fees are pretty cheaper and a more convenient technology for making contracts thus attracting the crowd. The BTC can also be converted into different fiat currencies and is used for trading of securities, for land titles, document stamping, public rewards and vice versa.

    Another advanced block-chain project is Ethereumor the ETH which has served much more than just a digital form of crypto-currency Crypto.com Referral Code and its popularity in the last few decades have allowed billions of people to hold wallets for them. With the ease of the online world,the ETH have allowed the retailers and business organizations to accept them for trading purposes, therefore, can serve as the future of the financial system.

    ReplyDelete
  28. Reliable religion & theology coursework writing services are not hard to come across for those in need of Religious Research Writing Services and theology & religion essay writing services.

    ReplyDelete
  29. We also enjoy providing b2b email lists to get other countries.The data is authorized by acquiring company information database not only from the united states but All other countries such as Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, Middle East, Singapore, New Zealand, Asia,Europe, Russia and a lot more Nations. The list is strategically segmented into the form of industry, the name of the organization, name of contact person, job title, purchase email lists contact info, the quantity of workers, and sales of their enterprise to mention a couple.
    Our searchable email listing provides you a more specific, yet relevant information to use.Not all email providers have access to each country's database. Using an global email list, you can advertise your business globally without needing to spend lots of money going from 1 nation to another. With true b2b sales leads, it is possible to build your global relationships and could mean expansion of one's business .

    ReplyDelete
  30. Internet Download Manager 6.38 Build 9 IDM Crack Patch with Serial Key download is a kind of shareware download manager owned by an American company called Tonec Inc. IDM Patch Free Download captures any type of download in an impressive time limit and then completes the download in a very short time and at a faster speed as compared to any other download manager at the moment.

    ReplyDelete
  31. Music Sustain is a music blog dedicated to sharing stories and news, exploring the past, present and future of music’s most legendary and enduring artists. heavy metal We cover major and emerging artists from all genres of music including rock, blues, jazz, hip-hop, punk, indie, country, metal, hardcore, pop, classic and electronic.

    ReplyDelete
  32. short term rentals in Dubai ae is one-stop destination where you can find fully furnished serviced apartments and book luxury serviced accommodation for long, mid-term and short corporate and non-corporate stays.

    ReplyDelete
  33. We are the most trusted online loan search and loan advice site in South Africa. friendlyfinance.co.za Find a lender in just a few minutes. Apply today!

    ReplyDelete
  34. "Archie 420 Dispensary welcome anyone 21+ to stop by and have a one of a kind Marijuana experience with us.
    No trip to the Evergreen state is complete without a visit to archie 420 Marijuana dispensary.
    Also, you can Check out Midweek specials: Buy marijuana from USA $2 off ANY pre-roll Tuesday and $2 off ANY 1 gram Wednesday! We accept variety forms of payments.
    The Archie's do strive to provide a broad range of quality Marijuana products to fit any budget!
    Archie's are conveniently located at our main office: 380 Quivas St, Denver CO, 80223, USA and 45 Lisbon st San Francisco California 94112 USA and.. Branch Unit in 2300 Windy Ridge Pkwy SE - Atlanta GA ,USA
    Archie 420 menu include all taxes, menu is subject to change and Items do sell very quickly.
    Finally, no Medical card is required. As a result, come to Archie's online shop and experience modern age of truly legalized marijuana and we offer a variety of strains to satisfy the most discerning of consumers. We are open 24/7 and you are always welcome."

    ReplyDelete
  35. Crystal online pharmacy is a trusted online drug store with a wide range of products to suit the needs of ther clients. Crystal Pharmacy do strive to offer the best service and ship products world wide. All the products listed on their website are Available in stock. Buy drugs online Expect your order to be processed Immediately when you send your request. They deal with varieties of drugs for customers satisfaction. They also cross barriers with their products and struggle hard to meet human satisfaction. When shopping with them, Be safe and secured and you will realize how swift they are with our services.

    ReplyDelete
  36. พบกับหวยรูปแบบใหม่ที่สามารถแทงได้ทุกที่ ทุกเวลาด้วยตัวท่านเองผ่านมือถือของคุณเอง

    หวยออนไลน์ ของเราคุณจะสามารถแทงได้ตลอดไม่มีการอั้นเลขเหมือนแผงหวยททั่วไป

    ถ้านึกถึงหวยออนไลน์ต้อง Click1234 เปิดประสบการ์ณใหม่ๆกับการแทงหวยของคุณ

    ReplyDelete